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Post by Storyteller on Aug 11, 2011 23:02:16 GMT
Sam will now be modding this battle.
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Post by Shen Ha on Aug 11, 2011 23:54:07 GMT
Fine by me, though he should go through any tricky rounds with Justin and clear everything up with him so as to not appear biased. I'd be fine with the two leaders of the kingdoms working together to moderate this.
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Post by Li Wang on Aug 11, 2011 23:57:37 GMT
I'm cool with that if Justin is.
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Post by Sam on Aug 12, 2011 0:33:22 GMT
I'm gonna be reading through the thread again to gather my bearings. Then I'll check what I gather from it with you guys and then we'll procede with the next round.
I won't be using Jen's formula, it's too complicated for my little pea brain to comprehend and learn. I'll be making judgment calls based on the severity of attacks. The attacking units vs defending units. I'll be using common sense for what unit beats what in what situation, tiers will take effect and have advantages based on their descriptions.
Any current plans that involve ambushes, ploys and other not-for-post content is to be PM'd to me asap, or it won't happen. Any other developing tactics likewise PM to me.
I'm out of Wei strategic planning and discussion for this battle. I leave it all to Brian. None of your plans, Wu officers, will get out to any Wei members.
Now for me to do some homework on this battle.
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Post by Sam on Aug 12, 2011 1:46:41 GMT
Blue = Shen Ha Purple = Ryou Kin Red = Justin Yellow = Li Wang Judging from what I've read, this happened in turn 2 basically (main moves): Justin moved from the north-east to where he is now, sending a mounted unit back to rip into Ku Ren. Derek moved from being in line with Justin's army to move fortha nd engage Brian. Brian maintained his position, as did Dash, who only began pulling Ku Ren back. So judging by your posts Derek pulled back Li Wang, gathered his army and marched forward, and then fired volleys etc etc. Brian waited for Li Wang to bring the army and then charged the weak forward line of archers. So both Brian and Derek are guilty of power playing here. Brian for charging and pulling back both, and Derek for using a horse with an engine and a fast ass army. Ku Ren is indeed sandwiched. __________ If all of this can be accepted by both parties without any rebuttle then we can proceed. EDIT: Just noticed I had a PM from Ryou Kin, he in fact has started retreating north, toward the dinosaur bones (Monty knew of this, and it explains the pursuit argument).
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Post by Ryou Kin on Aug 12, 2011 2:02:00 GMT
Hmmm that and I think Li Wang NPC and his troops in the north are all gone indeed. I beleive Li Wang would again with me on this one. I could be wrong though but they should.
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Post by Li Wang on Aug 12, 2011 3:41:48 GMT
Yeah my NPC's troops are dead.
As for my position, however, I was south of the grove. When I said they were lined up, I mean that that if you looked from north to south Li Wang's frontline would extend towards Justin's, breaking about 10 meters from the grove in the middle. My forces ended turn 2 just south of the grove:
"The bulk of Li Wang's forces advance to the southern side of the grove, extending Sun Quan's line in an identical formation. Archers in front, swords in the center, spears and cavalry on the sides, arbalests in a straight line a short distance beyond the swords and the catapult centered beyond those, pointed directly towards the center of the grove."
If you took that on a grid, I meant that to be (9,6) through (9,8), with the arbalests at (11,7) and my catapult at (13, 7), which I clarified in turn 3.
Other than that, my position on the map is correct.
I would like to point out though that my army started marching minus the archers, onagers, and catapults:
"The catapult proceeds to systematically bombard the grove, aiming to wipe it off the map. Li Wang's onagers and archers begin to fire into the Wei lines, whilst the rest of his array begins to advance in the following formation. Their front line is 3 hexes long, and is aligned through the village and ends about 10 meters away from the grove (not perfect, but this is just showing how they're grouped):"
So this is what it'd look like after they started marching:
Cav_____SwoSwoSwoSwo____SpeSpeSpe Cav____SwoSwoSwoSwo_____SpeSpeSpe _________ArcArcArcArcArc
(woops just realized I was not only counting my grid from top to bottom, but had my x and y backwards too.)
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Post by Sun Quan on Aug 12, 2011 12:27:55 GMT
Yeah, not to sound like a dick, but did you ignore my map entirely? Like I said, it was pretty good for the northern situation (You've got the entire thing a bit farther north than I would have figured), and Li Wang even confirmed that's where his men were.
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Post by Sam on Aug 12, 2011 14:31:31 GMT
I did see your map Justin, I was just putting mine out there to show you guys how I saw things. The map was going by the summaries, not the posts themselves.
Thanks for clarifying Derek.
If there's nothing else anyone wants to add? I'll start reading through the full turn and working on the turn results.
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Post by Shen Ha on Aug 12, 2011 20:11:14 GMT
Yeah my NPC's troops are dead. As for my position, however, I was south of the grove. When I said they were lined up, I mean that that if you looked from north to south Li Wang's frontline would extend towards Justin's, breaking about 10 meters from the grove in the middle. My forces ended turn 2 just south of the grove: "The bulk of Li Wang's forces advance to the southern side of the grove, extending Sun Quan's line in an identical formation. Archers in front, swords in the center, spears and cavalry on the sides, arbalests in a straight line a short distance beyond the swords and the catapult centered beyond those, pointed directly towards the center of the grove." If you took that on a grid, I meant that to be (9,6) through (9,8), with the arbalests at (11,7) and my catapult at (13, 7), which I clarified in turn 3. Other than that, my position on the map is correct. I would like to point out though that my army started marching minus the archers, onagers, and catapults: "The catapult proceeds to systematically bombard the grove, aiming to wipe it off the map. Li Wang's onagers and archers begin to fire into the Wei lines, whilst the rest of his array begins to advance in the following formation. Their front line is 3 hexes long, and is aligned through the village and ends about 10 meters away from the grove (not perfect, but this is just showing how they're grouped):" So this is what it'd look like after they started marching: Cav_____SwoSwoSwoSwo____SpeSpeSpe Cav____SwoSwoSwoSwo_____SpeSpeSpe _________ArcArcArcArcArc (woops just realized I was not only counting my grid from top to bottom, but had my x and y backwards too.) I really can't help but think you're trying to cover the fact that I hit you with my horse. In skirmishes, archers often were in the front, and they'd fire at each other until one commander sent horse or infantry to challenge the other army's formation. You could send horses to the middle to challege the other commander to make a move, and if he didn't have his archers supported quick enough, he could hit him with a charge. That's what I did. You didn't have your archers covered, and I hit them, then you just say "Yeah, according to the formation that I posted, you're totally right, but here's this whole other part you need to consider that I never mentioned in my post." Are you still denying that my cavalry hit your archers and started to turn back? That was my compromise, considering we both did a bit too much in our posts. If you're not taking that then I have no idea where the hell this battle is going to go.
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Post by Li Wang on Aug 12, 2011 20:14:40 GMT
Dude, IN MY SUMMARY I posted that the rest of my army started to move. I'm not saying it's impossible for you to have hit them before the rest of my army could cover them, but I DID move my army to do just that.
And I said lets just leave it up to the mod to decide what happened and what didn't.
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Post by Shen Ha on Aug 12, 2011 20:15:51 GMT
So can we say that as they fired, my cavalry hit them as the rest of the army was coming up, so my next post I need to high-tail out of there or get fucked up?
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Post by Li Wang on Aug 12, 2011 20:22:21 GMT
Dailai ZhangbaSummaryThe catapult proceeds to systematically bombard the grove, aiming to wipe it off the map. Li Wang's onagers and archers begin to fire into the Wei lines, whilst the rest of his array begins to advance in the following formation. Their front line is 3 hexes long, and is aligned through the village and ends about 10 meters away from the grove (not perfect, but this is just showing how they're grouped): _________ArcArcArcArcArc Cav_____SwoSwoSwoSwo____SpeSpeSpe Cav____SwoSwoSwoSwo_____SpeSpeSpe The onagers are positioned in a line on the hex that is the back of the village (11,14). The catapult is positioned at (13,14). I said that my formation moved minus the archers. But let's leave it to Sam to decide what happened and what didn't.
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Post by Shen Ha on Aug 12, 2011 20:25:08 GMT
But you also have your army spread over many hexes and have thousands of archers. Therefore, it would take more than a couple seconds for the rest of your army to be entirely in front of your archers. It's more than feasible to say my cavalry hit the front of your archers while the rest of your army was half-way through their lines.
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Post by Li Wang on Aug 12, 2011 21:46:54 GMT
Again, leave it to Sam.
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